Religious discussion thread. (GTA Center Forums)

Discuss....

Someone say something...

Also, please be respectfull about other peoples beliefs, Religious or not, its just not very friendly to force yoyr religion on other people.

Nice sig.

I believe in God in that I have faith that there is something out there. I dont believe in the revelations and I dont take the bible literal at all.

:)

Just walk away pug... just walk away...

QUOTE (Pug Dog @ Apr 6 2006, 05:39 PM)

Just walk away pug... just walk away...

Oh go ahead.

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I dont take the bible literal at all.

Generally, a lot of the Bible is literal, but those are mostly the histories themselves.

The thing is, about 50% of the Bible is not literal, and that is what you have to watch out for.

I met a guy on IMDB once and there was a thread about this which we talked in and one thing that I agreed with him on was that if there is a god (no capital), he is so superior to us that we don't even have the right to give him a name. I feel that known God's (capital) are merely an extension of it and are customized to fit the beliefs of each religion.

Other than that, I'm basically an agnostic.

If God is unable to prevent pain and suffering, then he is not all powerful. If God is able to prevent pain and suffering, but unwilling to, then he is malevolent. If there is pain and suffering, then God is either unwilling or unable to prevent it. There is pain and suffering. If God exists he is all powerful and he is not malevolent.

Therefore, God does not exist.

What if god just "got the ball rolling," so to speak?

QUOTE (Mini-Me @ Apr 6 2006, 06:22 PM)

What if god just "got the ball rolling," so to speak?

You mean he made us, then counted on humankind to make our own, wise, justful decisions? He thought we could handle ourselves? Boy, was he mistaken.

You really have a different outlook on things once you read a few Dean Koontz books. Oh! I forgot you guys don't read.

QUOTE (Pug Dog @ Apr 6 2006, 10:00 PM)

Oh! I forgot you guys don't read.

We're on a forum...

And why do I know the name Dean Koontz?

Well I really was an aeithest (I spelled that wrong I know) after my mother and sister died but then i found that depression only comes out of that. I would rather be a little hopeful with a little doubt than to be a morbid bastard, right?

In all honesty though, God doesn't exist at all. There is only science. No God. That was a false hope.

Even though I said that I still "believe" there is a God.

Whoah words....

So you believe there is one, but you don't? Or you don't think there's a god, but you don't dismiss the idea of one?

Hey! > http://xtaur.us/did-jesus-walk-on-water-or-ice.html

Jesus hydroplaned across the water. :haha:

QUOTE (Mini-Me @ Apr 6 2006, 08:59 PM)

So you believe there is one, but you don't? Or you don't think there's a god, but you don't dismiss the idea of one?

Hey! > http://xtaur.us/did-jesus-walk-on-water-or-ice.html

I know there isn't a God but I still believe there is.

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*tries to create a metaphor*
So, it's kinda like you enjoy eating something, but you don't like how it's made? No, that doesn't work... :( Anybody create a metaphor for that?

QUOTE (Mini-Me @ Apr 6 2006, 09:15 PM)

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*tries to create a metaphor*
So, it's kinda like you enjoy eating something, but you don't like how it's made? No, that doesn't work... :( Anybody create a metaphor for that?

Okay, either you're incredibly stupid in logic or not.

I say not. I know what I was trying to say up there is right, so just ignore it.

Its like believing you can fly,but knowing you cant...

or in G`s case beliveing he has a penis but knowing he doesnt

:Djks

Ugh, it was so simple. :angry:

QUOTE (Mini-Me @ Apr 6 2006, 07:11 PM)

QUOTE (Pug Dog @ Apr 6 2006, 10:00 PM)

Oh! I forgot you guys don't read.

We're on a forum...

And why do I know the name Dean Koontz?

I meant you dont read books. Dean Koontz is a horror/thriller/suspense novelist.

Religion... well i don't really care to tell you the truth, im meant too be catholic or whatever but meh...

QUOTE (Jesta @ Apr 6 2006, 10:08 PM)

Its like believing you can fly,but knowing you cant...

or in G`s case beliveing he has a penis but knowing he doesnt

:Djks

My penis is like 10x bigger than yours!

Ohh.

But Jesta's saying is what I meant. I know there isn't a God but I want to believe there is.

I believe in Christian Science, if you dont know what we believe.. here is a few quotes from Wikipedia.

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1. As adherents of Truth, we take the inspired Word of the Bible as our sufficient guide to eternal Life.

2. We acknowledge and adore one supreme and infinite God. We acknowledge His Son, one Christ; the Holy Ghost or divine Comforter; and man in God's image and likeness.

3. We acknowledge God's forgiveness of sin in the destruction of sin and the spiritual understanding that casts out evil as unreal. But the belief in sin is punished so long as the belief lasts.

4. We acknowledge Jesus' atonement as the evidence of divine, efficacious Love, unfolding man's unity with God through Christ Jesus the Way-shower; and we acknowledge that man is saved through Christ, through Truth, Life, and Love as demonstrated by the Galilean Prophet in healing the sick, and overcoming sin and death.

5. We acknowledge that the crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection served to uplift faith to understand eternal Life, even the allness of Soul, Spirit, and the nothingness of matter.

6. And we solemnly promise to watch, and pray for that Mind to be in us which was also in Christ Jesus; to do unto others as we would have them do unto us; and to be merciful, just, and pure.

* From Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, by Mary Baker Eddy.

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Christian Science and Matter

Some traditional objections to the notion of a material world, or at least to the belief that we can know anything about it, are as follows.

We don't need the term "matter" to describe anything in the world.

Illusions and hallucinations often occur. If the majority of people had the same illusion, would that be more real than what the remainder believed? If not, why not?

Sense-data impinge on our conscious awareness. But no-one knows how to get beyond the sense-data to something that might cause them.

Words only have meaning in terms of other words. We cannot get beyond words to whatever lies beyond them.

The Christian Science viewpoint goes something as follows. The question might be asked as to what we love about those closest to us (e.g. a parent, child etc.) It is presumably nothing physical or material, since--presumably--we would love those individuals just as much if their physical attributes were different, or they lost them through age or accident. What we value about those close to us are intangible (Christian Science would say spiritual) qualities such as love, faithfulness, innocence, protection etc. In Christian Science terms these are the “real”, timeless, transcendent qualities that constitute our spiritual being. They cannot be perceived materially but only through an inward feeling or response. In an ultimate sense terms like “love”, “holiness” “harmony” etc. suggest the being of God, in Whom the spiritual creation is embraced.

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Christian Science and Science

Since Christian Scientists do not interpret the creation story in the Book of Genesis literally they have no problem with, e.g., the Theory of Evolution, nor do they object to its being taught in schools. Christian Scientists regard the Theory of Evolution, even if true, as referring to the illusory, mortal realm rather than to the realm of spiritual perfection, of which the material world is believed to be a counterfeit. For similar reasons, Christian Science does not clash with contemporary Geology, Cosmology, or Biology and indeed Christian Scientists argue that their teachings--specifically in regard to the role of consciousness in the creation of material "reality"--may throw some light on the perplexing paradoxes of quantum mechanics, with particular reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation. Also, the Christian Science teaching regarding the fundamentally mental nature of the human world may help to explain some phenomena of parapsychology--telepathy, precognition etc.

I doubt any of you read all of that, but I hope you skimmed through it, especialy the part about science.

QUOTE (Jedihunter @ Apr 7 2006, 07:28 PM)

I believe in Christian Science, if you dont know what we believe.. here is a few quotes from Wikipedia.

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1. As adherents of Truth, we take the inspired Word of the Bible as our sufficient guide to eternal Life.

2. We acknowledge and adore one supreme and infinite God. We acknowledge His Son, one Christ; the Holy Ghost or divine Comforter; and man in God's image and likeness.

3. We acknowledge God's forgiveness of sin in the destruction of sin and the spiritual understanding that casts out evil as unreal. But the belief in sin is punished so long as the belief lasts.

4. We acknowledge Jesus' atonement as the evidence of divine, efficacious Love, unfolding man's unity with God through Christ Jesus the Way-shower; and we acknowledge that man is saved through Christ, through Truth, Life, and Love as demonstrated by the Galilean Prophet in healing the sick, and overcoming sin and death.

5. We acknowledge that the crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection served to uplift faith to understand eternal Life, even the allness of Soul, Spirit, and the nothingness of matter.

6. And we solemnly promise to watch, and pray for that Mind to be in us which was also in Christ Jesus; to do unto others as we would have them do unto us; and to be merciful, just, and pure.

* From Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, by Mary Baker Eddy.

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Christian Science and Matter

Some traditional objections to the notion of a material world, or at least to the belief that we can know anything about it, are as follows.

We don't need the term "matter" to describe anything in the world.

Illusions and hallucinations often occur. If the majority of people had the same illusion, would that be more real than what the remainder believed? If not, why not?

Sense-data impinge on our conscious awareness. But no-one knows how to get beyond the sense-data to something that might cause them.

Words only have meaning in terms of other words. We cannot get beyond words to whatever lies beyond them.

The Christian Science viewpoint goes something as follows. The question might be asked as to what we love about those closest to us (e.g. a parent, child etc.) It is presumably nothing physical or material, since--presumably--we would love those individuals just as much if their physical attributes were different, or they lost them through age or accident. What we value about those close to us are intangible (Christian Science would say spiritual) qualities such as love, faithfulness, innocence, protection etc. In Christian Science terms these are the “real”, timeless, transcendent qualities that constitute our spiritual being. They cannot be perceived materially but only through an inward feeling or response. In an ultimate sense terms like “love”, “holiness” “harmony” etc. suggest the being of God, in Whom the spiritual creation is embraced.

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Christian Science and Science

Since Christian Scientists do not interpret the creation story in the Book of Genesis literally they have no problem with, e.g., the Theory of Evolution, nor do they object to its being taught in schools. Christian Scientists regard the Theory of Evolution, even if true, as referring to the illusory, mortal realm rather than to the realm of spiritual perfection, of which the material world is believed to be a counterfeit. For similar reasons, Christian Science does not clash with contemporary Geology, Cosmology, or Biology and indeed Christian Scientists argue that their teachings--specifically in regard to the role of consciousness in the creation of material "reality"--may throw some light on the perplexing paradoxes of quantum mechanics, with particular reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation. Also, the Christian Science teaching regarding the fundamentally mental nature of the human world may help to explain some phenomena of parapsychology--telepathy, precognition etc.

I doubt any of you read all of that, but I hope you skimmed through it, especialy the part about science.

I skimmed it.

Good that you're proud of your religion and not afraid to express it.

I think today we are getting too politcally correct with race, religion, among other things.

I believe in Karma. Not necessarily as a force which rights wrongs, but if you live by the principle regardless of belief you are a truly Holy person.

I believe in blessings not in Karma. :ninja: :ninja:

What do you guys think of this?

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Anyone ever researched the theory that Jesus survived the crucifixion but did NOT rise to heaven?

Instead he went to India, and his tomb is in Kashmir.

Story goes that the 3 wise men were actually Bhuddists who were following a star to find a child who will be raised as the new Dalai Lama. Yes... this is actually how Bhuddists do it!

Bhuddism is an older religion than Christianity, and was well established by the time of Jesus era.

Bhuddist records indicate that at the time of Jesus birth, a child was found, in Isreal

His name was Isa.

It is custom, that at the age of 14 a new Dalai Lama child is taken away from his family to be educated in the Bhuddist ways. Ever noticed that the Bible has NO RECORD of Jesus between the age of 14-29?

Bhuddist records also state that Isa seemed to have special, almost magical abilities. He left the east at the age of 29 to go back to Isreal.

An interesting thing is that many of the things Jesus preached, like "turning the other cheek", are classic Bhuddist ideology, that have nothing to to with Judaism, despite Jesus being born a Jew. In addition, legends of "feeding thousands of people with only a few fish and loaves of bread", and "walking on water" are well known in Bhuddist history too, having also been performed by ancient Dalai Lamas.

We all know the traditional Jesus story from this point on. But after he "dies", it gets interesting again.

In the original bible text, Jesus does NOT rise to heaven. It is never explained. He just says "I am going away". The bible passages w/regard to rising to heaven were added hundreds of years later.

The alternate theory is that Jesus went into a coma on the cross. The diciples were allowed to take him down, because the Romans thought he was dead. Jesus was taken to a secret location where he was nursed back to health. When he was healthy again, he said goodbye to the diciples & travelled back to India.

It must be remembered that Jesus was still a criminal in the eyes of the Romans, who didn't know he was still alive, so the only place safe for him to go to was the east... such as India.

Bhuddist and some Islamic records state that "Isa" returned from Isreal after an absence of many years and became known as a great healer who performed many miracles. He is also called Yuz Asaf by Ahmadiyya Muslims, and they also believed him to be a great healer & prophet.

Isa/Yuz Asaf lived in Kashmir up until the about the year 80AD and died a peaceful death. In his later years he admitted that he was previously known as Jesus. His tomb is still there and you can visit it. Another freaky thing is that at the tomb, there is a stone carving of Isa's/Yuz Asaf's feet. Carved onto those feet are scars which could only have been made by a cricifixion.

Look it up for yourselves.

Isa, Yuz Asaf & Ahmadiyya Muslims. Its fascinating stuff.

It is fascinating... But it doesn't really change my faith at all...

Still good to read though. :ninja: :ninja:

I bet Atlantis has something to do with all this.

Interesting indeed. Where did you find this, Aussie?

QUOTE (Australian Prick @ Jan 22 2007, 07:21 AM)

I bet Atlantis has something to do with all this.

QFL!!! :ninja: :ninja:

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